Saw that album cover too, and immediately thought of the Awake magazine. Hope he isn't a JW. Do love his singing. Enjoy the concert!
Bo Peep
i just scored a pair of ticket to a josh groban concert in nc this spring.
she is a major fan of this guy and i have to admit the dude can sing.
we went to one of his concert a couple of year ago and it was awesome.
Saw that album cover too, and immediately thought of the Awake magazine. Hope he isn't a JW. Do love his singing. Enjoy the concert!
Bo Peep
for the life of me, i cannot work this one out.
it disturbed me when i was a jw and it now just makes me plain angry.. here are some comments from ministerial servants & elders on this subject, which i heard when i was in:.
"you know, a while ago, people used to object to the idea of children dying at armageddon but nowadays there is a spirit in kids (massive generalisation), which just seems to make them fit for destruction.
I always felt uncomfortable with this subject. I believed (somewhat) that children would die if their parents didn't listen to JW's. In my heart I don't think I really felt that way. I always said I thought Jehovah would consider the elderly, those in institutions, those in foreign countries that would never have a chance to hear and make a decision to serve as a JW or not.
We see a good deed written in the newspaper now days and jokingly say, "isn't it sad their going to die at Armageddon", because at one time that's what we would think. To think Jehovah would overlook all the good in people, when he so easily will forgive so much!
I'm so glad we are finally leaving the judging up to Jehovah, and not judging for ourselves.
Bo Peep
ok, tonight i found out a family secret that only a few knew.
i had told my mom how i felt about the jw stance on blood, and mentioned how angry i was not knowing if my cousin could have been saved had he gotten a blood transfusion.
she finally told me tonight, when we were going to a seminar about lung cancer, that my cousin had indeed gotten a blood transfusion!
I lost my dad over the blood issue too! They tried albumin, after I overheard the doctors saying maybe that would work. I told them that would be ok, but was really to late. The doctors sure questioned me about this, as they told me albumin was blood, and they thought JW's didn't take blood. That was my first real question regarding the blood issue.
Bo Peep
luke 6:38: give, and it shall be given to you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.
fieldservice or a bible study...or maybe they (in my past experience) give to a selected candidate as long as that person comes to the hall on a regular.
when do they actually give like normal people give.
We always told our kids they wouldn't have to wait for a birthday or Christmas to get gifts like those of the "world", and on Christmas, always gave them a few gifts the next day or so, so they could go to school and not feel left out! SO HYPOCRITICAL!!!
As for other kinds of giving...unless it was within the org, which we did do for those in need...if it was to the "world" we did little. Kind of like the parable of walking on the other side of the road.
I feel great NOW, giving whenever I can. If I see a youth trying to make his/her way to a sports whatever, I'll give a couple dollars. When charities ask for money, I pick and choose of course, but will help out here too. I contribute to the "white cane", and even when our local VFW has a table set in the grocery, to aid the locals, I give. As a JW, I was so afraid of supporting something of Bab the Great, or something political, never using my conscience, but concerned what others might say or think.
This freedom is wonderful!
Bo Peep
this is an open ended question meant to iniate a debate.. .
general .
My husband and I have discussed this subject much and havn't come up with a really sound answer. I think one of the must frustrating things in trying to help others out of the WT is where to direct them. We left but waited a long time to really talk to our kids because we knew they'd want to know "we'll where do we go then?"
We realized the answer wasn't "where" but "whom" would we follow. I don't think there is any one religion with all the answers. I feel many are very sincere in their efforts, but it all seems to end up in the control issue.
I've really found it helpful to read the Bible with an open mind, and let it speak to me instead of trying to force a conclusion based on the WT. It's really hard to get past having the WT indoctrination effect what you believe, but well worth the try.
I think most religions are of a futuristic mindset, thinking the Bible is written for our day, as end-time prophecies. But after reading and re-reading the NT, along with several books on Revelation, I now really feel these were all written for those upon whom the "conclusion of the system" was near, the Jewish system that ended in 70 AD, not 2000 years later. I don't think any religion today fulfills any "faithful slave" roll, but this is speaking of individuals and their personal relationship with God and his son.
I still have many unanswered questions, so continue reading, pondering and praying, knowing I'm doing the best I can at this point, trying to live my life Christlike, and looking to the gift of "grace" from above.
Bo Peep
as a jw i saw in other religions, ritualism, insignificant ceremoniies, unecessary restrictions, erroneous bible interpretations, doctrines and teachings, and hateful conspiracy with governments to kill or imprison or stop individual jws, or the jw movement.
today, i respect what people belive but what i think is wrong is religion in the business of killing people or advocating the killing or harming or infringing on people.
After 40+years of looking at any religion as though it was a tool of Satan, I now can look at them through new glasses. I do see much control in many, but I also see many really good hearted, Christ-like people, trying their best to live a good life, many making sacrifices I rarely saw within the JW's. I too am wary of becoming a "project" of anyone, so stay away. I don't miss the judgemental attitude of the JW's, and am ashamed of having had somewhat that attitude myself. My sister went to a Baptist church last year with some friends and said she loved the singing, singing from the heart. I too miss the singing, but wouldn't set foot in a KH for a meeting again.
Bo Peep
please correct me if i'm wrong.... .
isn't the wtbts's stance on apostacy defined as a member who denounces the authority of one of god's holy spirit inspired spokesmen?
if so, when paul and barnabas had the argument over taking mark on a mission trip.... which one was apostate?
I never heard of anyone in this situation being reinstated, because at the time they went against what was considered "light" from Jehovah, and they ran ahead of the organization.
For the record, a number of religions consider one apostate if one leaves for another religion, and will shun that member. However, apostacy according to John is disbelief in the ransom of Jesus and his ressurection. Most ex-JW's are NOT apostates according to the Bible.
Peep
danny hazzard just posted this..please help!!
!silentlambs alert!
*a cry for help to all men of conscience in the organization of jehovahs witnessesthe recent court rulings in napa california have given authorities the right to access congregation judicial files that contain any information that provides evidence of the crime of child abuse.
Will it ever end? You think it can't get worse, and it does!!!
Peep
I'm not sure about one, but Jesus said where only two or three were gathered together, they could expect his spirit to help.
Peep
cdite eos.
novit enim dominus qui sunt eius.. translation: "slay them all.
god will know his own.
I think the WT attitude, and most elders is its ok because when one falls out, there are plenty of others waiting at the door to take their places. Push them out the back door and pull them in the front.
Peep